View Full Version : Hurrans - what will happen?
I've only viewed Hurrans from the road as I drive by but it's already looking an bit of an eyesore with parts of the roof damaged. It's not gonna take long before it will start to look really bad and\or become a dangerous place for kids to be playing around.
I'd personally like to see a small Waitrose (or similar) mini-market. It would be an excellent use for the land (no more houses please :eek:) and would be a real focal point for the local community. Downside is that it would severely damage trade for Hillcroft garage and possibly even put them out of business.
Please share your thoughts\comments on this important local issue.
misscookiedew
06 May 09, 10:48 PM
Hello! I have just registered, so this is my first comment / post.
I agree, it would be great to have a little supermarket locally. I would like to see a Co-operative as their ethos is based on a local and community focus. The standard of their food and service has improved greatly recently and much of their goods are responsibly sourced.
As for Hillcroft, it may affect their business to some degree, but the same market forces that allow them to charge approximately 10p extra on a litre of fuel will apply and people will make a choice based on what is available.
I moved to Langstone in 2001 when the post office was still open on Tregarn Road. It has long since closed and it is sad that there is no 'centre' of the village, in a way that a community based shopping facility seems to encourage.
Ideally, we could follow in the footsteps of Penhow and have a community shop which I understand is doing quite well.
Obviously it would be on a much larger scale and the site would require a fair amount of renovation and conversion. But it would be serving a much larger area and would also be much more accessible.
Well I guess the planners or our parish council know.
Today the demolition crew moved in, this evening it looks like the rear and inside of the "shop" has been taken down , leaving the front elevation and the catsash side standing !
Also the trees in the car park have been felled today.
So what is happening ?
There was a rumour that another Garden centre wanted to take on the site, looks very much like we are getting an eye sore .:confused:
Hurran's Garden Centre Site has been purchased as part of a larger portfolio of properties The purchaser is a local property investor in conjunction with the Bailey Group of Companies.
The current intention is to secure planning for a high quality residential scheme.
No planning application (which will have to include a change of use) has been made yet but do we really need more houses in Langstone.
Can the drainage system cope? http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon8.gif
Have the Primary & Secondary schools sufficient room?http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon9.gif
Will it take ? hour to get round the new "Hamburger" Coldra?http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon13.gif
Alan Henderson - Langstone Community Council Chair
MINUTES OF LANGSTONE COMMUNITY COUNCIL
Date: 17th April 2009
(3) Hurran’s Garden Centre - Cllr Henderson opened a discussion regarding the development of the Hurran site, stating that the situation still remains unclear, NCC are unaware of any proposed development plan as no planning application has been received, however Cllr Mogford said that she had been informed that the land has been sold to developers with a condition that they do not development the land for three years, and that in the interim the owners of Chepstow Garden Centre may be leasing the site.
Resolved:
That the situation should continue to be monitored and that Cllr Mogford is to make further enquiries to find out who had purchased the land.
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Is it safe to assume that any Demolition permits etc are in place ( bigger that a single garage is the benchmark I think )
Seems strange that earlier this week "Community First" was published with hopes of a non residential use for the site , and now its flattened and the trees cut down.
I hope we are not left with an eye sore whilst the planning process grinds on
Just for Info
In most cases demolition does not require planning permission , unless the council has made an article 4 direction restricting the demolition or alterations that could normally carry out under permitted development rules.
However, it does not automatically follow that you will get planning permission to build any replacement structure or to change the use of the site.
Demolition is dealt with under the Building Act 1984. Generally, it requires six weeks prior notice to be given to the Local Authority Building Control before demolition begins. They may decide to issue a notice within six weeks on receipt of the notification to specify conditions that need to be met which may include precautions to protect adjoining properties and the public.
Demolition work must also comply with the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 1994 and a health and safety plan produced by the principal contractor.
Thanks Alan
I wasn't trying to mix Planning and Demolition. Just a lay oberservation that demolition is seen as the first part of development / change of use and would require NCC's involvement / approval. Strange when set against the Community Council's understanding that the site was sold with a 3 yr development freeze :-)
http://www.newport.gov.uk/_dc/index.cfm?fuseaction=planning.buildingcontrol&contentid=DevXP002286
Demolition Notification
The City Council’s Building Control Service monitors demolition work to ensure that public health and safety are not compromised. The demolition of any building exceeding 50 cubic metres (1750 cubic feet), roughly the size of a single garage, will require a demolition notice before demolition work starts.
You will need to notify us in writing of your intention and not start demolition until you receive a Demolition Notice in return from us.
For further advice please telephone the Building Control Service on (01633) 232667 or (01633) 232668 or email building.control AT newport.gov.uk
The Community Council's knowledge on 17/04/09 about the possible use of the site was originally based on information received locally. Although demolition has started there may still be a caveat on the purchaser not to develop immediately but only clear the site.
We know that the developer is in discussions with Newport City Council but that's all at the moment. When we get more information I'll post it on here.
I'm personally sorry to see this happen. If the site is eventually used to build more houses then that's another loss for Langstone. The area is slowly becoming a large housing area and not much more.:(
Hurrans closure was a sad loss for the area but at least it provided an opportunity to use the area to build something for the community. More houses will not achieve anything (community wise) except put extra strain on the local resources (schools, roads etc).
I also agree with Steve, whatever happens is not going to happen quickly and in the meantime the site is in danger of becoming an eye sore.
Penhow appeared to have great success with their community shop (http://www.penhowcommunity.org.uk/shop/the-making-of-a-village-shop), shame we couldn't achieve something similar in Langstone.
Hi all. As a new member and a neighbour of the ex-Hurrans site, I agree that it would have been great to have had a small supermarket or other similar establishment there. The shopping convenience and continuing employment would have benefitted the entire community. We have to be realistic though, I'm convinced that, within a short period, the site will be a housing development. :( Let's just hope that the new buyers do not ignore the concerns of the residents nearby. We would obviously hope for dwellings which are sympathetic to the community. Let's also hope that the planners take into consideration the additional traffic problems that we would all have to face, including negotiating the infamous Coldra roundabout! Bad enough now, extra traffic from new houses, disaster :mad:.
Also, Catsash Rd. itself is an extremely busy thoroughfare at rush hours and extra housing would only add to this.
Welcome TeeJay
The purchaser is a local property investor in conjunction with the Bailey Group of Companies.
We need to lobby the Community Council and our local councillors to ensure that our views do not remain silent or taken as approval - just hope "local property investor" hasn't already struck a deal ;)
Waste water is an issue in the area already so any building development will just add to the problem.
In the meantime perhaps our elected representatives can comment on any powers they have to ensure that the site is safe and not an eye sore whilst the debate takes place. The site is open and will / has already attracted "kids" wanting to explore .
TeeJay
18 Jun 09, 10:27 PM
Good point, Steve. Security of the site could be a major problem unless our developer "friends" :confused: erect a fence such as the one at Taylor's garage.
Once plans are submitted, I'm sure our councillors will organise a meeting where we can express our concerns, including the issue of waste water.
If they don't, then it's up to us concerned residents to call one.
Steve & TeeJay
Your concerns are mirrored by Langstone Community Council, however things are at an early stage and all we know is that the developer is hoping to secure planning for a high quality residential scheme. LCC closely review and comment on all planning applications and liaise closely with the Planning Officers before any decision is made by Newport City Council. So I'll ignore your allusion that a "local property investor" hasn't already struck a deal Steve ;)
The Construction (Design and Management) Regulations have to be complied with on any building site & this includes how the developer intends to protection the general public, including trespassers, from construction hazards.
Anyone can object to a planning application but only on the following grounds:
Welsh Assembly Government policy and guidance - Acts, Circulars, Planning Policy Guidance Notes etc.
The Local Development Plan - Newport are currently reviewing their Development Plan.
Adopted supplementary guidance - for example car parking standards.
Replies from statutory and non-statutory agencies (e.g. Environment Agency, Highways Authority who will be consulted anyway.)
Representations from others - neighbours, amenity groups and other interested parties so long as they relate to land use matters.
Effects on an area - this includes the character of an area, availability of infrastructure, density, over-development, layout, position, design and external appearance of buildings and landscaping
The need to safeguard valuable resources such as good farmland or mineral reserves.
Highway safety issues - such as traffic generation, road capacity, means of access, visibility, car parking and effects on pedestrians and cyclists.
Public services - such as drainage, water supplyand availability of schools.
Public proposals for using the same land
Effects on surrounding buildings - such as overlooking, loss of light, overshadowing, visual intrusion, noise, overbearing impact, design out of character, disturbance and smell.
Effects on a specially designated area or building - such as green belt, conservation areas, listed buildings, ancient monuments and areas of special scientific interest.
Effects on existing tree cover and hedgerows.
Nature conservation interests - such as protection of badgers, great crested newts etc.
Public rights of way
Flooding or pollution.
Planning history of the site - including existing permissions and appeal decisions.
A desire to retain or promote certain uses - such as playing fields, village shops and pubs.
Prevention of crime and disorder
Presence of a hazardous substance directly associated with a development
Precedent - but only where it can be shown there would be a real danger that a proposal would inevitably lead to other inappropriate development.
If there is widespread objection for this proposal, individual letters are more effective than a petition or a circular letter. This suggests people are properly concerned.
I hope you find the list helpful but if you want to discuss the matter off line in more detail give me a call or email me.
So I'll ignore your allusion that a "local property investor" hasn't already struck a deal Steve ;)
Alan my reference to "already struck a deal" is simple,the current Community First reported an LCC meeting in March (?), the LCC web site has the 17th April meeting notes, we are now 8 weeks further forward and seeing demolition work. In those 8 weeks many things can change, including approval to demolish.
My experience of Planning is that unless the proposed works are literally on your own doorstep then the first time you become aware is when the ground work is started !
Prior to that NCC should be carrying out its reponsibilities , assuming the correct permissions have been sought, and as you say LCC is offered the chance to comment.
Not sure if you were around when Columbus House was changed from a commercial property to a Govt. building, but that felt like a "stitch up" from the very start.
Alan
NCC Building Control NOT aware of demolition on Hurrans site - no notice issued - can you put a few few discrete questions in please .
Also the lack of fencing is a potential Health and Safety issue.
Sunelectric
20 Jun 09, 10:02 AM
Has anyone considered the access that will be used for this site?
There is a board fence on Silure Way (opposite the large gated property) that would provide an entrance to the north of the site.
I imagine this would be less desirable than accessing the property from Catsash or Chepstow Road?
If memory serves me that was I think the way David MaClean wanted to develop when Hurran's looked into releasing a piece of land. However I recall that Planning was not given and it all fell through.
Drove past Hurrans this morning and the entire site has been raised to the ground :(. Even ripped up all the trees up.
Sunelectric
20 Jun 09, 6:17 PM
They've been working there all day - sounds like there's something going to be built in the near future.
The mystery continues...
Lets hope Newport Council enforce the rules - as so far Newport CC claim that no permission to demolish has been applied for , and no planning application lodged. :eek:
Sunelectric
21 Jun 09, 9:35 AM
They're working there this morning.
Surely there must have been a plan submitted to NCC?
I find it difficult to believe that development will be put on hold for three years!
Alisona1
21 Jun 09, 10:57 AM
Good morning, This is my first visit to the website, which I have to say was prompted by the demolition of Hurrans.
I have to say I was initially excited and searched with hope to read about 'our new Community Centre'. A Hub for Langstone, a little Village 'square', with a small supermarket, a Post Office, maybe a Fish and Chip shop, somewhere such an affluent village has been crying out for for years.
But instead I am dismayed to be reading about the possibility of future housing developments - no matter how 'High End' this would be, there is nothing in Langstone, no heart or soul to it. There are poorer areas in this City with much more central focus than we have.
Why are we not having a say in this - why aren't our local Councillors fighting for this on our behalf if things are being sorted behind closed doors! Or am I wrong and this is not what is wanted around here?
With all due respect to Penhow and its Community shop - which I have used and think it is a fantastic facility - Langstone needs more, I drive to Magor to use their 'Square', because I like the feel of it. I would certainly support such an area in Langstone, as would many other residents.
Something has to be done surely??
Sunelectric
21 Jun 09, 12:25 PM
I have just spoken to a friend who seems to think that Morrisons will be going there :confused:
Yes I noticed the evening and Sunday demolition work.
I guess the demolition contractor has a time window he is working to - use of the Plant maybe.
There now appears to be a large "bonfire" of wood, pallets and trees , that'll create a lot of smoke and flames when/if it is set alight :(
So over to NCC enforcement ........
As for Morrison's - I think this is just a rumour, the Community Council understand its a residential planning application that will be submitted.
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Date: 22 June 2009 09:07
To : building.control AT newport.gov.uk (building.control@newport.gov.uk) <building.control AT newport.gov.uk (building.control@newport.gov.uk)>
Subject : Demolition at Hurrans site , A48, Langstone
Good morning
I spoke with your department on Friday morning, alerting you to the demolition at the Hurrans Garden Centre site in Langstone.
I was assured that the required Demolition permits were not in place and that it might be a Health and Safety issue given the lack of fencing around the site.
Work has continued over the week end and in the evenings. This morning there is what appears to be a large bonfire of wood and trees on the site.
Can you confirm that you have visited the site and will use what ever powers you have to ensure that work is only allowed to continue in a safe and legal manner
regards
Steve
Forgive for saying so, but, unless they are working on our behalf behind the scenes, our city councillors seem extremely quiet on the subject of the activity at the old Hurrans site. Especially as the new owners appear to be demolishing the building without the city council's permission! Perhaps they may care to join the debate.
I've emailed a link to this post to David & Simon requesting their input. Perhaps if others emailed as well this would encourage their participation.
You can select 'Email this Page' form the header of any of the posts in this thread and our local councillors email addresses are on the home page.
Sunelectric
23 Jun 09, 12:58 PM
I notice there is nothing being done on the site today.
Has anyone received any further info from NCC or the local councillors?
No reply - - ill post if / when I get one !
Just so you know that everybody isn't ignoring the thread.
I understand that the buildings were demolished to prevent any more vandalism/theft to make them safe if any small person was to explore or investigate. I also understand that they developer may have been liable to pay business rates on the empty property.
In any large scale development there is generally a series of meetings between the planners and the developers (involving elected officers) to discuss what the developers are hoping too do with the site & what the planners may let them before any planning application is submitted. So it's early days yet.
My source of information about the development comes from the agent acting on behalf of the purchaser
I understand that the buildings were demolished to prevent any more vandalism/theft to make them safe if any small person was to explore or investigate. I also understand that they developer may have been liable to pay business rates on the empty property.
Forgive my lay question, thats an acceptable set of reasons to bypass Building Control / Demolition Orders ?
Now we have a demolition site, which could have been screened by the trees in the car park, and a concentrated fire hazard. :confused:
Forgive my lay question, thats an acceptable set of reasons to bypass Building Control / Demolition Orders ? Definitely not.
Now we have a demolition site, which could have been screened by the trees in the car park, and a concentrated fire hazard. :confused: I too would have loved to have seen the trees retained.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Trust me Alan, when I shoot I name the target :)
My note was just observation, thank you for clarifying your position
The business rates issue for empty properties, and the vandalism concerns are both valid points, from the developers stand-point, but the site is now open to the A48 and probably breaking H & S rules. Unless it is fenced off, as is the Taylor's Garage site, it will inevitibly be used as a "play-ground" for all and sundry, not to mention the abysmal appearance of the place:mad: Is this what we pay more council tax than many other parts of the city for?:rolleyes:
Sunelectric
29 Jun 09, 7:27 AM
Has anyone received a reply from our councillors on this issue?
kristie
29 Jun 09, 10:36 AM
Hi, this is my first post here, also prompted by the issue of the Hurran's site, which I now agree is now a dangerous eyesore, and I would hate to think that it is going to be in this state for any length of time.
I also agree that Langstone is crying out for some central thoroughfare - to get any kind of provision you have to get in your car and travel at least a couple of miles - not good for the environment, not good for creating a sense of community. We have lived here for more than 2 years, and in that time, the only people we even recognise are our immediate neighbours. It's such a shame.
I'm not sure how to even go about promoting the idea of a small shopping centre, but I would happily get involved. Gosh, if I had the know how or money, it would be a wonderful investment that I am sure would attract a huge amount of business. If only!!
If anyone with any influence or knowledge of how to promote this issue could post a reply, I'm sure many people would support the cause.
Sunelectric
29 Jun 09, 1:02 PM
Judging by the signs that are now on display (George Wimpey) is it safe to assume the site will be developed for housing?
Would certainly appear as a signal of intent to build domestic dwellings !
In any large scale development there is generally a series of meetings between the planners and the developers (involving elected officers) to discuss what the developers are hoping too do with the site & what the planners may let them before any planning application is submitted. So it's early days yet.
Our CC Chairman reminded us that meetings / process go before a formal Planning application and approval. So far no response from Newport CC.
The 'George Wimpey' signs have disappeared!!!!
The plot thickens.......:confused:
kristie
29 Jun 09, 8:26 PM
I'm glad you said that - I thought I was going mad when I couldn't see any signs. Is there really a call for more housing here? I don't think so!
..... and a security fence appears ! :D
Sunelectric
29 Jun 09, 8:44 PM
I drove past the site at about 12:30 today and the George Wimpey signs were clearly on display.
Did anyone else see them?
Had a walk past the site this evening. No Wimpey signs, just the hand written "Keep Out 24 Hr Security" sign:D, and the security fence:rolleyes:
Sunelectric
01 Jul 09, 9:12 PM
They were definitely there :confused:
I have read all the postings and have noted that a few residents have asked why our elected council members have not made any statement. the following is an extract of an email sent within the last 15 minutes to Simon lane. I am confident he will reply and hope he can shed some light as to the future of the site.
Hi Simon,
Hope you are keeping well.
The reason for me contacting you is to raise my concerns, and that of 44 other Langstone residents (based on the forum entries on the Langstone Village website), about the future of the site.
A few residents have asked for a response from our elected members, but there does not appear to be any information coming our way.
Can you shed any light on the future prospect for the site? It is quite clear in my view that a housing development would be extremely unpopular.
There is an obvious safety and security issue here. I would imagine, and expect, that there has been a risk assessment carried out which would have identified the hazards and risks associated with a large waste site. As I have a professional interest in Health and Safety I would be interested to take a look at it.
If you could shed any light on the future I would be very grateful as by the way the the forum entries are growing it will only be a short time before the local paper gets wind of the residents' concerns
Regards
kristie
01 Jul 09, 10:19 PM
Well done! I am not an expert in these matters, but I haven't seen any planning application published or posted around the area, and I'm not sure whether a conveyance for the purchase of the land would have been completed so quickly. Maybe that is just wishful thinking though. Let us know if and when you get a response.
Well done in contacting your local City Councilor, knowing Simon you will get a response. In the meantime I'll update you with what knowledge I have.
Can you shed any light on the future prospect for the site?
Why not contact Newport City Planning Department & ask them? My latest update from them was that the developers are in discussions with Newport City Council for a "high quality residential scheme" & it could be several months before any planning application appears after Environmental Surveys, Topographic Surveys etc have been carried out.
It is quite clear in my view that a housing development would be extremely unpopular. I agree, we don’t want Langstone to become a residential outpost of Newport. If you add this proposal to the ex Taylor's Cafe development then a substantial amount of residential housing is planned (or in the pipeline) for this area.
I would imagine, and expect, that there has been a risk assessment carried out which would have identified the hazards and risks. I would sincerely hope so!
There is an obvious safety and security issue here.
As a Planning Supervisor under CDM regulations I would consider a secure fenced site is a lot safer than an open site containing damaged and dangerous buildings & perhaps live electrical connection. From what I can see there are obvious tripping hazards but these would have been there, but to a lesser extent, before the buildings were demolished. The hazard from the pile of trees and other combustible materials in the centre of the plot away from any residential development could be classified as a medium risk. I’m not sure about hazardous waste & contamination, but as the site was a Garden Centre with living plants I would expect these to be minimal to none existent. I don't know what else has been left from the demolition. Personally I do not think the site creates more of a hazard than the local park after it has been vandalised by local youths or the gated All Weather Play Area after it has been used as a toilet by the local dogs on their evening stroll with their owners. Perhaps I am wrong, as I haven’t closely examined the Hurran's site & I don’t intend to trespass to find out
I'm not sure whether a conveyance for the purchase of the land would have been completed so quickly
Hurran's closed in January 2009 and, as I previously stated, the purchase was completed early June 2009, ample time.
The resident's concerns are well noted & the Hurran's site is on the Agenda for the next Langstone Community Council Meeting on 16th July 2009. Rest assured they are watching the situation closely.
Alan Henderson
Langstone Community Council - Chair
Thanks for the update Alan
Why not contact Newport City Planning Department & ask them?
Yes I have, but as a mere Tax payer the Building Control / Planning dept do not respond to me :( Fortunately they do appear to discuss matters with elected officials such as your self, and you are willing / able to share that with a wider audience.
I drove past the site at about 12:30 today and the George Wimpey signs were clearly on display.
Did anyone else see them?
I emailed Wimpey and got this response.
Thank you for your enquiry via email on the 29th June 2009.
I have spoken with our Technical Department and I can confirm that currently there are no plans to build at A48 Langstone.
If you would like to consider any of our other Developments then you can view them via our website www.taylorwimpey.com (http://www.taylorwimpey.com/)
Kind Regards,
Emma Allen
Sales Consultant
(T) 029 2053 4767
(F) 029 2053 4733
Email: emma.allen@taylorwimpey.com (emma.allen@taylorwimpey.com)
TaylorWimpey South Wales
Eastern Business Park
Wern Fawr Lane
St Mellons
Cardiff
CF3 5EA
Sunelectric
10 Jul 09, 8:19 AM
Thanks for the update. I saw George Wimpey signs - is this the same company as Taylor Wimpey?
Update: it appears they are the same company: http://www.taylorwimpey.com/LinkstoTWSites. Lets hope different parts of the company talk to each other!
kristie
10 Jul 09, 6:00 PM
Thank you for that update! I may have blind to the signs, but despite driving past at least a couple of times each day, I never saw them. Oh well, the mystery continues....
Sunelectric
10 Jul 09, 9:45 PM
Has anyone received a response from their local councillor?
No reply from Simon Lane, But still hopeful
Latest Update
No planning application has been made.
The developers and Newport City Council's Planning Department are meeting on a regular basis to discuss various aspects of the proposal.
I don't know what is being discussed but one would assume that the protracted detailed discussions means that NCC are looking after local interests.
Alan
Still no reply to my several e'mails to NCC
So I have no confidence they are looking after anyones interest !
Pity we do not vote for council officials 'coz NCC planning would not be getting one from me :(
Sunelectric
13 Jul 09, 8:34 PM
It might be worth emailing one of the more senior members of the Planning Department. Wyn Mitchell used to be at/near the top of the tree...
One would clearly hope that the professionals at the city planning department would consider the consequences of allowing much more traffic on to Catsash Rd. via the grossly inadequate access corridor. Also, they must have something sorted about the lack of drainage for any more houses. or have they?:rolleyes: Has anyone seen the site close-up lately? It has been left in a terrible state and, frankly is an embarassment to the village. Just shows what the developer really thinks of the existing residents!:mad:
Sunelectric
13 Jul 09, 8:43 PM
What benefit was there in "clearing" the site?
The heavy rain this week has highlighted the lack of drainage on the "cleared" site, and the local flooding on the A48.
Sunelectric
01 Aug 09, 5:26 AM
Has anyone received a reply from their local councillor regarding this development?
kristie
01 Aug 09, 10:29 PM
There is something about it in the new Community Times we received this week - apparently there has been or is to be a planning application, which sounds as though it is for a residential development - just what we don't want! I wonder whether as a community there is anything we can do ourselves? Would anyone else be interested in considering our options?
I told you that on 17th June!
Calm down, Alan7.....what's with the tone? I thought we were all in this together? :(
kristie
02 Aug 09, 9:04 PM
In fairness, I had read the update in June, but Sunelectric asked a specific question as to whether anyone had received an update from their local councillor, and I was just pointing out the 'latest news' from Councillor Atwell in the Community News we had last week. That's all :rolleyes:
OK ;) . Sorry kristie, i wasn't having a go at you.
I know everyone is anxious to hear the latest news & whats going to happen etc etc & that progress, if any, is very slowwwww. Unfortunately that's the way local government works. :confused:
Langstone Community Council get copies of all planning applications submitted to NCC & very often we get to know of applications that MAY come forward in the near future.
All I know at the moment is that an application for residential development is being discussed.
I will update you as & when I hear anything concrete. :cell:
Alan
kristie
03 Aug 09, 12:22 PM
No problem! No offence taken :) Look forward to any updates.
Angela
04 Aug 09, 10:29 AM
I've just been looking at the LDP candidate sites for Langstone and am surprised to see that amongst loads of residential developments dotted around the area, someone has put the field adjacent to Langstone Court Road (opposite the entrance to Court Meadow) in as a candidate site for new community centre, various community sports facilities, local shop, post office and public open space (candidate site no. 2051.C1). Has anyone else heard anything about this please? Surely Hurrans or Taylors Garage are more suitable candidates for this rather than developing yet another currently greenfield site.
I've just been looking at the LDP candidate sites for Langstone and am surprised to see that amongst loads of residential developments dotted around the area, someone has put the field adjacent to Langstone Court Road (opposite the entrance to Court Meadow) in as a candidate site for new community centre, various community sports facilities, local shop, post office and public open space (candidate site no. 2051.C1). Has anyone else heard anything about this please? Surely Hurrans or Taylors Garage are more suitable candidates for this rather than developing yet another currently greenfield site.
Please continue this discussion here (http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/showthread.php?t=46875).
Sunelectric
25 Aug 09, 7:34 PM
Today I received notification of the planning application for the Hurrans site. They're looking to build 60 houses.
Did anyone else get one? If so, what are your thoughts?
Has anyone been to look at the plans? I'd be very interested in seeing the layout.
Nothing received by Langstone Community Council - yet. As soon as it does arrive I'll let you know the details.
Sunelectric
25 Aug 09, 8:21 PM
There are no real details other than:
Proposal: Proposed residential development consisting of 60 units and associated highways and drainage.
Site: Site of Hurrans Garden Centre, Catsash Road, Newport.
Application type: Full.
The developer isn't named.
There wont be any details published yet, I presume you live close to the site & that's why they've notified you. We (Langstone Community Council) will get copies of all the documents submitted with the planning application.
Sunelectric
25 Aug 09, 9:03 PM
I live just a stone's throw from the site.
The letter from Newport City Council invites residents to view the plans at the Civic. I'm assuming this is something we can do before the documentation reaches the Community Council.
Yes. I would recommend that individual letters of objection are sent to NCC as each objection will be recorded. This is far more effective than a petition.
Good grounds for the objection should include
Effects on an area - this includes the character of an area, availability of infrastructure, density, over-development. layout, position, design and external appearance of buildings and landscaping.
Highway safety issues - such as traffic generation, road capacity, means of access, visibility, car parking and effects on pedestrians and cyclists.
Public services - such as drainage, water supply and availability of schools.
Effects on surrounding buildings - such as overlooking, loss of light, overshadowing, visual intrusion, noise, overbearing impact, design out of character, disturbance and smell.
Flooding or pollution.
Planning history of the site - including existing permissions and appeal decisions.
Precedent - but only where it can be shown there would be a real danger that a proposal would inevitably lead to other inappropriate development.
Contact me direct on alan@taffiacats.co.uk if you want any help or further guidance.
Nearly forgot to mention that Langstone Community Council have already sent their objections to this development to Newport City Council.
Alan,
Not that I want to sound pessimistic, but, in your experience, does individual letters from residents really have a notable effect on such developments? If so then I think we should all rally as much support as we can.
Perhaps slightly presumptuous, but I can't imagine there being many individuals in the are who are in favour of another housing development - please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll do what ever I can with this site to help highlight the issue and I'm open to any suggestions.
I well remember the disrespect shown to Langstone residents by a certain NCC planning member, when sat on the platform at a public meeting to discuss Columbus House. She spent most of the time talking to another person on the platform whilst speeches were made and the subsequent debate. I doubt she ( or he) heard any of the points made in the "public" forum.
Just A bit more information.
Of the 60 proposed units there will be 20% affordable housing, 8 x 2 bed and 4 x 3 bed.
The developers have stated that they will make a contribution to secondary education and off site formal play provision - so nothing for Langstone.
They will also contribute to highway improvements on Catsash Rd.
I also had a notice from NCC planning about Hurrans. It mentioned 60 "units". Are some of these going to be flats I wonder? Either way, the developer's original idea of "quality dwellings" on the site will surely not now be feasible with that many buldings squeezed on to the plot:( I intend to view the plans A.S.A.P. and will enlighten others as to their content. I hope that there will be a meeting called to discuss the residents' disquiet at all the ensuing problems that this development will generate. I look forward to a confirmation from Alan that a meeting will, indeed, take place in the near future when the details are known.
Sunelectric
26 Aug 09, 8:40 PM
Does anyone know how the density of this proposed development compares with neighbouring sites e.g. Stockwood View or Silure Way?
It looks to be much higher!
Went to see the plans for the proposed development today in the Civic Centre: 60 houses of which 48 would be 3 and 4 bedroom "private" houses and 12 would be 2 and 3 "affordable" houses. I asked what affordable meant, since private is not necessarily unaffordable! It could be shared ownership, housing association etc but the planners did not know as yet the nature of the affordable houses.
I have a few concerns:
1. The density of the proposed development - far higher than surrounding developments such as Grenadier Drive and Silure Way
2. Access to 60 houses from Cats Ash Road alone and the congestion that would ensue
3. The nature of the affordable houses and the tenants they may house
4. The ongoing local concern that the amenities in Langstone do not serve the size of its population
I will certainly be making these objections, but was wondering what more could be done if we got together collectively?
Sunelectric
29 Aug 09, 7:44 AM
Thanks for sharing this information. I hope to look at the plan in the near future. Would we be able get a copy to post on here?
Please would you confirm that there is a single access point onto Catsash Road? If so, it will be a nightmare getting onto the A48 of a morning!
Does anyone know how the density of this proposed development compares with neighbouring sites e.g. Stockwood View or Silure Way?
It looks to be much higher!
As an educated guess then I'd agree, 60 houses are going to packed in pretty tight. I'd say the density would surpass even that of the new(ish) houses on the edge of Geri-y-Parc.
Thanks for sharing this information. I hope to look at the plan in the near future. Would we be able get a copy to post on here?
Please would you confirm that there is a single access point onto Catsash Road? If so, it will be a nightmare getting onto the A48 of a morning!
If anybody has a copy and doesn't have access to a scanner then I'd happily scan a copy to post on the site. Send me a PM.
Yes, one access point
60+ cars exiting one junction on the A48 in the morning rush hour!
TeeJay
30 Aug 09, 12:24 PM
Access to this site has, and always will be, a problem. I'm sure that Hurrans would have loved to have had an entrance off the A48 but obviously that was not possible.
Traffic problems will exist here for years to come, and I'm sure our descendants will eventually have to rectify it somehow. A previous development application proposed access to 83 units off Silure Way. What a nightmare that would have been:mad:
I note from the plans that Bellway Homes have proposed improvements to Catsash Rd., and wondered what they mean by this in detail.
The fact is that, with Hurrans demolished, some sort of development is going to be erected on the site. The only way to keep ensuing traffic chaos to a minimum is to keep the unit numbers to a minimum, and I hope that planning take this into account when considering the proposal.
We live here and we don't want this, so what are we going to do about it?
The developers are like any other business, are interested only in making money. They don't live here so have no interest on the impact it will have on the area (and why would they).
The loss of Hurrans was a big hit for Langstone. The area is slowly turning into a large housing sprawl. Instead of the Hurrans site being used for communal development it's now ear marked for even more housing. This will happened unless we, the residents, put up a fight.
I don't know about others but our plans are are to remain in Langstone. We have 2 and 5 year old girls and we want them both to remain in the same area and schools for their childhood. But it's slowly becoming a tough option as the community facilities in the area are slowly diminishing.
I personally have no experience of such situations but am willing to do what I can to help. My efforts are best directed via this website so I'll compose some notices and look into leaflet distribution again.
Alan, would you be able to organise a residents meeting in the village hall for locals to get together and discuss options?
In the meantime can I ask you all to spread the word about this site and get people talking on here and having their say. We need to understand just how string the feeling is against more house in Langstone.
60 homes will probably generate 90+ cars coming and going.
Problem is how many were coming and going from the Hurrans site, maybe spread out between 9 and 5 and not "peaking" between 8 - 9 and 4 - 6 , but the road system coped ;) I'm sure a lot of extra traffic will be mixing with existing and "new" children - thats where my safety concern is.
A potentially bigger issue is drainage and sewerage :(
Hurrans contribution to the existing Sewer will probably be dwarfed by 60 families worth of water and solids :o
TeeJay
31 Aug 09, 11:46 AM
Good point, Steve.
When a previous development on the Hurrans site was proposed several years ago, I was told by Planning that one of the reasons for refusal was that the existing drainage system was totally inadequate. It was also mentioned that no houses could be considered here until Welsh Water had installed a new main drain. We all know for a fact that Welsh Water have not yet undertaken this work.
I would suggest that, when we all write our letters of objection to NCC, we highlight drainage as a major concern. They listened the last time:D
I agree with Admin that there seems to be just a few of us discussing Hurrans on the website, and we need to get others involved.
A residents' meeting would also be useful, Alan.
Sunelectric
31 Aug 09, 2:31 PM
Has the website been advertised through a leaflet drop?
The Hurrans site issue is likely to get quite a few more involved!
mjsully
31 Aug 09, 9:56 PM
Hi.
just out of interest, we moved in 10 years ago into the Mclean homes on the right hand side as you travel up Cats Ash road - then a few years later the homes behind and surrounding hurrans on the left were built -
I querried the site agent and Mclean officials concerning the road width 'gap' left between the first two big houses on the left as you enter the estate.
I was told that this 'gap' which has now been fenced off would be used as an access point into hurrans site when future developments were processed.
Thus ensurring that residents and emergency vehicles (if reqd) would have two means of entry and egress from the estate. Therefore hurrans original enterance and this 'fenced gap' would be utilised as such.
cheers
Mart
Sunelectric
31 Aug 09, 10:16 PM
Doesn't the submitted plan show a single point of access directly onto Cats Ash Road?
If this is the case I think they'll need to put double yellow lines along Cats Ash Road. The number of cars parked there in the evening would surely affect the visibility?
Mike Dinham
01 Sep 09, 4:59 PM
Hello,
I am posting my concern at the possibility of the Hurrans site being used for additional housing - for several reasons. One in particular is the capability of our sewers to deal with the additional load. (Langstone Pumping Station) This has caused problems in the past but now seems to be much better. A bit of clarity on this issue raised in previous posts as to the responsibility of the sewer. My understanding is that it has NOT been adopted by Welsh water and is still the responsibility of Wilson Bowden. I am informed that it will not be adopted until Wilson Bowden complete the outstanding work - which was due at least one year ago. I am concerned that Wilson Bowden are not pursuing the adoption and the sewers and the effect of any extra housing on its capability.
I agree that we should be more proactive in pursuing these matters hopefully through our councillors but otherwise more directly.
Regards
Mike
Sunelectric
01 Sep 09, 6:21 PM
Mike - welcome to the forums. Thanks for your comments.
It seems Barratt have purchased Wilson Bowden (David Wilson).
I also note that the road on the north side of the Hurrans site (Silure Way) hasn't been adopted by Newport City Council.
In light of the fact that David McClean are no longer, how does this affect the possibly of gaining access via this route?
It seems Barratt have purchased Wilson Bowden (David Wilson).
They are still trading as Wilson Bowden and Wilson Bowden City Homes < or similar> and David Wilson Homes ( part of the Barrett group of companies) - I guess Barretts will have bought the assets and liabilities, but I can see how it might become a minefield :-)
David McLean
David McLean Homes has been bought by Elan Homes, a new company formed by former senior management at David McLean. They have an office at St Mellons, Cardiff.
Access off Silure Way, although a possiblity, surely would be even more dangerous than than the old Hurrans entrance because of the restricted visibility at the mini roundabout. As to double yellow lines on Catsash Rd, as a resident there, I would have to say a resounding - NO!
Sunelectric
01 Sep 09, 7:05 PM
Surely the number of cars that currently park on the road (normally of an evening) would have a detrimental affect on visibility?
Is this something that needs to be considered?
Has the website been advertised through a leaflet drop?
The Hurrans site issue is likely to get quite a few more involved!
Yes, several months ago. But I do have plenty of leaflets left over, time for another drop I think. I'll also see if I can replenish the drop off points like Hillcroft garage and the Coldra pub.
A reminder image of the site. It is a fair size plot but 60 houses is still going to be packed in.
Look at the house on the left, there are some 23 occupying about 2/3 the size if Hurrans.
75
Hi All
I have the plans (all 30 of them) in my hand right now & will spend a few hours examining them. If anyone wants to have a look at them give me a call.
Basic Details
Access will be via the existing Hurran's entrance off Cats Ash Road
On site parking for 156 vehicles & 16 Cycle spaces. They estimate that traffic flow numbers will be similar to that when Hurran's was fully operational.
60 housing units
Private = 26 x 3 Bed semis & 22 x 4 Bed detached
Social Rented = 8 x 2 Bed semis & 4 x 3 Bed semis
9 different designs
Drainage = use existing!!!
Small version of the plan
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2444878210066895663iEhiDa
http://http//family.webshots.com/photo/2444878210066895663iEhiDa (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2444878210066895663iEhiDa)
Sunelectric
02 Sep 09, 12:33 AM
Thanks very much Alan.
Are you saying there are 32 (Social Rented = 8 x 2 Bed semis & 24 x 3 Bed semis) social houses planned for the site?
oops :rolleyes::rolleyes: should be 4 x 3 bed semi. my fingers weren't listening to me :o
thanks for spotting it
Simon Lane
04 Sep 09, 7:24 PM
Hi All,
A number of months ago I contacted the Planning Team to dicuss the future of the Hurrans site; I was informed that informal discussions were underway with the owner's agents; I asked that I be kept apprised of further discussions, indeed involved in them if possible. I was disappointed to receive the formal planning application in the post last week without further contact from the Planning Team. I also requested that the owners be coerced, or convinced of the need to tidy the place up, or if that fails, Enforcement action be inititiated; I was again disappointed to be told yesterday that nothing has been done because the Enforcement Team have been too busy dealing with matters for the Ryder Cup; this is wholly unacceptable. Today I have spoken with the Managing Director and the Corporate Director responsible for Planning and Highways. These discussions will continue on Monday with one, or both of these senior Team members at the Council.
I will be raising the issues of Hurrans, lack of consultation at the early stage, lack of enforcement action, adoption issues and apparent lack of any thought into Langstone Ward development to name but a few ongoing concerns. Please feel free to riase any other matters with me directly, via my email (simonrlane@btinternet.com), or by telephone (413180).
Back to Hurrans; clearly the more people that raise concerns the better; issues are: drainage, lack of amenity, schooling, over development of Langstone and the fact that some of the house designs are not in keeping with the area. I do have a copy of the plans and associated supporting documentation, should anyone wish to view them.
Rest assured that the development of Hurrans and the lack of consideration for the residents of the Ward are high on my agenda at the moment!
Cheers,
Simon.
Wales Jay
04 Sep 09, 9:29 PM
Councillor Lane,
Firstly welcome in becoming a member of our community website. I belive you are the first of our "Town/City Councillors" to be active on this site and will no doubt enjoy being a conduit in part for those of the community of Langstone who do not subscribe to the website but who are nevertheless very much part of the community as a whole.
I am interested in your quote "clearly the more people that raise concerns the better" Can you tell us who we raise our concerns to and what we can do to voice our concerns. The topic of Hurrans and it's potential development has been raised here for quite a while and whilst our community councillors are fully aware of the issues and also very "vocal" on this community website, no one has volunteered any advice on how we go about voicing our own concerns in relation to this development. Perhaps you could enlighten us on the way forward.:)
I too welcome Councillor Lane to the website. For those of you who haven't received a letter from the planning department, the Case Officer dealing with this application, and therefore the person to write to is:
Tracey Brooks
Planning Department
Newport City Council
Civic Centre
Newport NP20 4UR
Application no: 09/0874
Hope this helps,
Mark
Simon Lane
05 Sep 09, 12:46 AM
Hi Mark & Jay,
I am sure I had joined the site when it first opened (I think?) but couldn't find the details originally entered/user name.
I will provide some details of the type of issues we need to be highlighting to the planning team when I have fully read the submission from the developers and also after discussions with the Council employees. Mark is quite right in that Tracey Brookes is dealing with the application.
This should be during next week.
Cheers,
Simon.
I notice that there is a Community Council meeting on Monday 14th. and wondered whether Alan could tell us if Hurrans is on the agenda. If so, would it be advantageous for residents to attend and discuss our concerns?
If so, would it be advantageous for residents to attend and discuss our concerns?
That would be interesting however I understood "we" are observers not participants :-)
Yes, the Hurran's site is on the agenda. Anyone is entitled to come along and hear what's being said. I think know the feeling of local residents (& some not quite as local as other).
Despite what you think, residents do occasionally make presentions, only last month we had 6 residents in attendance expressing their views about the Park End Play area. Any non council member can speak if invited to do so by the Chair. Imagine what it would be like if 5 residents wanted to speak on 5 agenda items for 5 minutes each - the meeting would last until Wednesday!
I don't think of the Council/residents relationship as us & them, to me, its a "we" for everyone. The Council is elected to carry out your wishes as far as it can with what power it has.
Thanks Alan.
Glad to know that the Community Council is doing what it can. I'm sure you've judged the mood of the residents correctly:mad:.
Let's hope that the City Council don't think our views are a N.I.M.B.Y. attitude, rather than one based on pure common sense from people who already experience Langstone's existing problems on a daily basis:(.
Just a reminder to residents reading this, that tomorrow, Monday 14th. is the last day to make any objections to N.C.C.
Any non council member can speak if invited to do so by the Chair. Imagine what it would be like if 5 residents wanted to speak on 5 agenda items for 5 minutes each - the meeting would last until Wednesday!
Alan I think you have summarised my point , if invited "we" or residents - which ever you prefer - can discuss/present at these meetings, however this is not an open forum to just discuss the Hurrans issue :)
To my knowledge there has not been an event for the community to hear the plans or discuss them or the perceived impact on Langstone. This "virtual" forum appears to have a reasonable following, I can't tell if it represents the majority feeling across Langstone.
Steve
I haven't heard anyone say a good word for the development in all those that I've talked to, I've certainly heard plenty against from all sectors of the community.
Sunelectric
13 Sep 09, 8:34 PM
Thanks Alan.
Glad to know that the Community Council is doing what it can. I'm sure you've judged the mood of the residents correctly:mad:.
Let's hope that the City Council don't think our views are a N.I.M.B.Y. attitude, rather than one based on pure common sense from people who already experience Langstone's existing problems on a daily basis:(.
Just a reminder to residents reading this, that tomorrow, Monday 14th. is the last day to make any objections to N.C.C.
I was hoping to object - do letters have to be received by tomorrow?
Yes, Sunelectric, get your objections in by 4.00pm, PLEASE!!!
Sunelectric
13 Sep 09, 9:21 PM
I'm not sure I will get the chance to do it now :mad:
Perhaps I can hand deliver?
Does anyone have a "template" I could borrow? :)
Conex/09/0874
Proposed residential development consisting of 60 Units and Associated Highways & Drainage
Site of Hurrans Garden Centre Catsash Road Langstone
As a local resident I would like to object in the strongest possible terms to the above proposal.
The grounds for my objections are as follows
Over development of the site
Unneighbourly form of development
Scale out of keeping with the area
Unsustainable development in a rural area.
Lack of suitable drainage in the area
Additional traffic generation & the capacity of the local roads.
The development will be detrimental to Langstone and affect the quality of life for local residents.
Yours sincerely
SallieM
14 Sep 09, 9:31 AM
I have sent a letter of objection today via e-mail to the planning dept. You will find a link to it on the NCC website under P for planning. I also mentioned that the primary school is over capacity/full and Caerleon is also over capacity.
me too
Dear xxx. I acknowledge receipt of your e-mail in respect of
application 09/0874. The points raised will be taken into account in the
determination of the application.
Just emailed my objections based on Alan's template (cheers) to planning@newport.gov.uk
Angela
14 Sep 09, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the reminder - I've just emailed a letter of objection.
Elitebt
14 Sep 09, 12:46 PM
Have just emailed my objection thankyou guys for template etc
Woodpecker
14 Sep 09, 1:53 PM
Thanks for the reminder, objection lodged. Let us all hope that officialdom takes some notice of those whose lives & living space will be impacted.:suspicious:
kristie
14 Sep 09, 2:19 PM
Just sent an email objecting. Thank you for the reminder!
Nice to see a member from this forum at the Community Council meeting tonight http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon7.gif
Just for Info: We have received a planning application to access the Hurran's Site off Silure Way, adjacent to No.3
Mike Dinham
15 Sep 09, 11:28 AM
Hello all,
Talked to Tracey Brooks yesterday. They will be accepting comments on this application up until the committee meeting, so not deadline according to her.
I sent a letter objecting to the application yesterday.
Mike
Alan,
You mention that the Community Council has received revised plans for "access via Silure Way". Does this mean that they have a 2nd. alternative plan "up their sleeves"? If they have, when do the residents whom it will affect get to see it and evaluate it?
Also, Mike, when you spoke to Tracey Brookes, did she give any indication when the plans for Hurrans are going to be discuused?
Mike Dinham
17 Sep 09, 2:11 PM
Hello,
No indication of when it will be discussed.
Mike
Yes, it means they are looking at "Plan B" to gain access to the site, the plans don't show an alternative site layout, only the access.
TeeJay
18 Sep 09, 12:58 PM
Good grief!! Access via Silure Way would be even worse than via the old Hurrans entrance:mad:.Have they not seen the mini roundabout on maps? These plans are obviously drawn up by people with no local knowledge, and who have never visited Langstone in their lives, and probably would never want to if this development goes ahead:eek:
The Hurran's site development and the access off Silure Way are 2 separate planning applications put in by 2 different developers.
If the existing access to the Hurrans site (off Catsash Road) is deemed unsuitable by the planners AND developer No.2 have planning permission for access off Silure Way then they may try to use it as a ransom stripe so that developer No. 1 has to pay a premium for an access that already has planning permission. It would mean that the proposed layout of the Hurrans site would need to be changed.
kristie
18 Sep 09, 5:42 PM
Hopefully this is not a daft question, but I take it that objections to the access application via Silure Way should be submitted as a separate letter to the original objections to the housing development as a whole?
No such thing as a daft question! Yes it is a separate objection letter.
Reference:- CONEX/09/0934
Proposal:- Creation of Vehicular Access
Site:- Land to west of 3 Silure Way, Langstone, Newport, South Wales
Contact: -Tracy Brooks
kristie
18 Sep 09, 5:52 PM
Fantastic, thank you. I shall make my very strong objections known.
This just gets worse! We now have two developers involved and one may only actually applying for planning permission merely as a strategic financial move!
As you say Alan, no such thing as a stupid question but here goes; Am I right in saying that a developer doesn't need to own a plot of land in order to apply for planning permission? And if so, who owns this plot to the west of 3 Silure Way and is it up for sale?
Anyone can apply for planning permission on a plot of land even if they don't own it.
Don't know who owns the new access route plot of land, all I know is the applicants name, Elan Homes Ltd & it's described as "vacant residential land".
TeeJay
20 Sep 09, 10:19 AM
Alan,
Have we missed the deadline for objections to the proposals for vehicular access off Silure Way, as I feel we need to object to this in the strongest way. Some ideas are silly, some ideas are daft, this one's just plain stupid:mad: The mini roundabout at the junction of Catsash Rd. will be quite a dangerous potential hazard. If N.C.C. approve this, there will be adverse traffic issues that will affect all residents in the near vicinity for many years to come.
The closing date foe objections to the Silure Way access is 01 October 2009. The decision falls within the delegated category which means it doesn't have to go to the Planning Committee & the decision will be made by the NCC officers as soon as possible after the consultation period.
kristie
20 Sep 09, 8:51 PM
I was wondering how residents local to Silure Way would necessarily know about this appplication? There may be notices displayed, but we live in Rosecroft Drive which exits onto the mini roundabout, and I confess I haven't noticed any - and we certainly haven't received anything through the letterbox.
It seems to me perhaps worthwhile preparing a leaflet to post through the doors of local residents so at least they were made aware of the application and their opportunity to object? I admit that if it weren't for the posts on this link, I wouldn't have ever known about the issue :o
I wouldn't mind putting something together if anyone thinks it might be worth it?
I definitely think it's worth it Kristie, and I'd be more than happy to post them for you!
Karen Jeffs is a Local Community Councillor who lives close by. I'm sure if you contacted her she'd be willing to help.
20 Stockwood Close
01633 413707
march_kl@yahoo.com
kristie
21 Sep 09, 2:00 PM
Great, I'll have go at putting something together at work tomorrow, although please be aware, I'm not capable of anything flashy. I don't mind dropping some leaflets, but Mark, thank you for your offer, I would really appreciate some help.
Any ideas on how far we should deliver? I was thinking maybe the houses along Catsash Road up to the start of the hill, Silure Way and the roads off it, as well as Grenadier Drive and the streets off there?
If anyone has any ideas of what to include, or any other ideas, I would be really grateful to hear them.
Thanks!
Here a plan of the proposal for Silure Way
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2216088770066895663GSTsoL
kristie, try this but if you want any more help give me a shout.
alan@taffiacats.co.uk
Dear Resident
ACCESS TO HURRAN'S SITE OFF SILURE WAY
As you may be aware there is a planning application to build 60 houses on the Hurran's site with access via the existing garden centre entrance off Catsash Road.
There has now been a further planning application to access the site off Silure Way! Can you imagine the chaos this will cause? 60 houses = 120 extra cars all trying to get onto the A48 at peak times.
I urge you to object to this proposal in the strongest terms possible. The closing date for any response is 01 October 2009.
Reference: CONEX/09/0934
Proposal: Creation of Vehicular Access
Site: Land to the West of 3 Silure Way, Langstone, Newport
Application Type: Full
Contact:
Tracy Brooks
Planning Department
Newport City Council
Civic Centre
Newport
South Wales
NP20 4UR
kristie
23 Sep 09, 7:56 PM
Alan, thank you very much for the template, it will save me a lot of time! I'm sorry about the delay, I have been here there and everywhere over the last couple of days, but I should be in the office all day tomorrow so will have the time to run off some leaflets. I'll print off maybe 100 or so, and get to delivering over the weekend. I know time is a bit short, but hopefully it will prompt people to do something straight away rather than pin it on a board to do later.
Any help with delivery would be appreciated!
kristie
24 Sep 09, 12:08 PM
Just to confirm, I have printed off about 100 leaflets, which basically follow Alan's template, although I have added a bit, and took the liberty of using the langstonevillage.co.uk logo to brighten it up a little.
Unless anyone thinks better, I was planning to deliver down the Silure Way streets, Rosecroft Drive, Grenadier Drive and the streets off there, and the houses along Catsash Road. I will try to make a start tonight, but it's likley the majority will be posted over the weekend.
Brill http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon14.gif Have u contacted Karen Jeffs to see if she can help?
kristie
24 Sep 09, 1:07 PM
Brill http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/images/icons/icon14.gif Have u contacted Karen Jeffs to see if she can help?
I haven't actually. I forgot about that part of your message! I won't impose on her weekend, it's not that many to deliver, and I can muster up help through slave labour from my 10 year old I should think.
Nice one Kristie and good luck with a response. Good to see a resident taking action and fighting for the area, many thanks to you.
Whenever I do leaflet drop I usually take my 5 year old with me. It slows things right down but she loves it, thinks were on an adventure.
TeeJay
27 Sep 09, 11:56 AM
I see that the "bon fire" left on the Hurrans site has finally been set alight by vandals (Sunday. a.m.), necessitating a fire brigade call-out:mad: It really is disgusting that the site was left in such an unsecure state, and even worse that the city council hasn't hasn't chased the owners about it:confused:
Sunelectric
27 Sep 09, 1:37 PM
I was out of Langstone from 10:00 to 12:00. When I drove back I saw the depleted bonfire but thought that this was part of the clean up plan!
No, unfortunately Sunelectric, the fire was caused by vandals. If you look at the "security fence":D, you can see where they got in.
Also, the firemen told me that they were called out, which wouldn't have been the case if the bonfire was "official". Let's hope the developers have more respect for the residents of Langstone than the "cowboys" who "cleared" the site for them:mad:
Don't forget to object to the other proposed entrance off Silure Way. We have until 1st. Oct.
Sunelectric
27 Sep 09, 2:32 PM
Thanks to Kristie for the superb flyer which was popped through my door earlier.
Very clear and well laid out - lets hope it has the desired affect!
kristie
27 Sep 09, 8:26 PM
Thank you for the positive comments! We posted about 125 in total, and one person came out to say they didn't know anything at all about the proposed development and was really grateful for it being brought to his attention, so even if it means only one more person objects, it will be worth it.
Fantastic job [even with "slave labour"], well done kristie :high5:
Forot to mention. I drove past the site at about 17:30. The bonfire was still smoking & erupting into flames occasionally.
Only good point is that it didn't create any damage to anyone's property or threaten any lives just a blooming inconvenience for the people in the surrounding area.
I will be mentioning it to NCC when I bend their ear tomorrow!
Great flyer Kristie! Let's hope your hard work pays off!
Alan, I notice that you're bending N.C.C.'s ear later. Maybe it might be a good idea to inform them that the fire officers were enquiring about who owned the site. My guess is that the fire service would like to send someone the bill for the call-out.
Maurice
30 Sep 09, 12:53 PM
Hi folks!
Just to let you know that I have today sent an e-mail to Newport Planning Department objecting to the proposed vehicular access from the proposed new site entering the mini-roundabout at the Cats Ash Road/Rosecroft Drive/Silure Way junction. As myself and my wife live in Rosecroft Drive, we are only too aware of the problems accessing the roundabout due to the high speed of vehicles coming down the hill from the Caerleon direction and the reduced visibility from all angles when entering the roundabout.
The proposed housing development seems ill-conceived, in view of the well documented drainage problems in the area, let alone the additional congestion at peak times and the impact of additional schooling requirements etc. Is this development still at a stage where objections can be raised?
Maurice:)
Hi Maurice & welcome
Yes, you can still make your objections to Newport Planning Department about the proposed development on the old Hurran's site.
kristie
30 Sep 09, 1:01 PM
Hi Maurice, thanks for confirming you have objected. It makes it worthwhile to see that the issue has even one extra person on board.
I am not sure if it is still possible to object to the housing development - there was some talk of an earlier deadline being incorrect, but hopefully someone else can confirm for definite.
Best wishes.
Sorry Alan, posted before I saw your message. Do you know the closing date for objections to the housing?
Maurice
30 Sep 09, 1:10 PM
Thanks for that- I'll send another objection re. the development!! :boxing:
Maurice
The closing date for objections is the day that the application will be heard by Newport City Council Planning Commiteee - don't know when that is but I'll try to find out.
Just back from holiday - in case the connection has not been made for the optionally access road
David McLean Homes has been bought by Elan Homes, a new company formed by former senior management at David McLean.
largedenims
06 Oct 09, 10:00 PM
On my travels today noticed a bellway homes sign has gone up.........:clock:
kristie
06 Oct 09, 10:06 PM
Really? So much for the planning application process taking a transparent and open-minded approach. Does anyone know when the actual application will be heard?
Steve Davies
10 Oct 09, 12:17 PM
I am saddened to say that there has been damage caused by the fire within Hurrans or should I say TIP! The huge plume of smoke headed across the A48 where Court Meadow is situated. This plume of smoke carries hot ash which has deposited over several residents cars with damaging affect. It angers me as every time I drove past the clearing I thought that it's only a matter of time before it was set alight. I am eager to see the outcome of the impact assessment that these 60+ houses will have in relation to water levels and local school.
Good point Steve, the extra housing could be the deciding factor in forcing Langstone kids into Hartridge (http://www.langstonevillage.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48289) school. Caerleon school is already running at full capacity so the extra children may force NCC to alter their future plans.:(
Steve, sorry to hear that there has been damage caused to cars in Court Meadow by the smoke arising from the recent fire at the tip that used to be Hurrans. Maybe it would be worthwhile phoning the number on the sign erected at the site, to ascertain whether compensation would be applicable! At the very least, it may force the owners to make the site more secure.
Just an update.
It is anticipated that the Hurrans Garden Centre Development AND the proposed new access off Silure Way will both be discussed by Newport City Council in December.
So if anyone hasn't put in an objection yet there is still time.
It is anticipated that the Hurrans Garden Centre Development AND the proposed new access off Silure Way will both be discussed by Newport City Council in December.
Alan, thanks for the update. Don't know how these procedures work, but does this mean that our elected representatives will be able to speak on our behalf at this "discussion" :confused:
I've written to the planning department & asked them to let me know when the planning meeting is & I've also asked permission to speak at that meeting.
A nasty accident occurred on Catsah Road thismorning (Tues 10/11) during which a car overturned:( Luckily, the occupants escaped with minor injuries and scratches. If such accidents can occur at the present traffic levels on Catsah Rd, just think of the disasters that could happen with the traffic from 60 more houses using it:mad:. Catsash Rd. just will not cope with any more traffic, and I hope that this point is raised strongly by our representatives at the planning meeting next month.
kristie
10 Nov 09, 5:10 PM
Gosh, that is awful. Glad to hear no serious injuries though. We just arrived home from our holiday so we missed this this morning, but I entirely agree, Catsash Road was never intended to become a very busy thoroughfare, and this not only highlights the safety issues, but also the access issue if other such incidents were to occur - which by increasing the traffic is almost inevitable.
Agree that this is awful!! Can you imagine what it would be like with the 60 additional hoses - that's about the same number that is in Silure Way & surroundings, not only dangerous but also congested at peak times. I will add this incident to my armory when the application is finally put before Newport City Council. Must admit I've got quite a bit to say in my allotted 5 minutes.
It is anticipated that the Hurrans Garden Centre Development AND the proposed new access off Silure Way will both be discussed by Newport City Council in December.
Has anyone heard if and when this is coming before the Planning committee ?
Do you know when and where Steve?
No I'm in the Dark ! :confused:
I haven't heard anything yet - I'm away for a few days so will contact NCC planners when I get back on Thursday.
UPDATE
I've just recieved an amended site plan which has taken on board comment made by the Planning Officers that has been submitted to NCC. Not a lot of difference to the original, still 60 units on a 4.83 acre site, still accessed from Catsash Road, still unacceptable.
The amendment is dated 07 Dec 2009 & observations have to be sent to NCC by 21 Dec 2009 so not a lot is going to happen before 2010.
Cheers for the update Alan.
Have had a quick look at the amended plans and cannot see a lot of difference, as Alan says.
The accesss road appears wider, so presumably Bellway must be using some of the land belonging to the properties adjacent to the old garden centre entrance.
They have also done a comparison between the average trafffic movements to and from the old Hurrans, and what they anticipate the new traffic movements from 60 houses will be. Obviously, the figures fall in their favour! Bellway also insist on calling it Catsash LANE, so that it appears to be a quiet, litlle used country track!!
Could Alan advise whether our original objections are still valid, or do we have to object all over again to all the nonsense of this development to ensure that our views are heard?
kristie
10 Dec 09, 2:48 PM
Gosh. From the top of my head, there isn't a lot of land either side of the two houses next to the Hurran's entrance, so I wonder how the road could be widened. As to having a traffic comparison between Hurran's traffic and 60 houses - there is no comparison!! Gets dafter by the day.
Could Alan advise whether our original objections are still valid, or do we have to object all over again to all the nonsense of this development to ensure that our views are heard?
All objections received by NCC about the site from the original application will still be valid as this is only an amendment and not a new application.
Hi TeeJay
How have you accessed the amended plans? Are they available to see in the Civic Centre?
Does anyone know if we can raise objections to the amended plans?
Mark
I've got a copy of the plan (as Chair of Langstone Community Council) but it's far too big to scan!! You can still get to see it at the Civic Centre quoting Ref CONEX/09/0874
Back in August I wrote :-
60 homes will probably generate 90+ cars coming and going.
Problem is how many were coming and going from the Hurrans site, maybe spread out between 9 and 5 and not "peaking" between 8 - 9 and 4 - 6 , but the road system coped ;) I'm sure a lot of extra traffic will be mixing with existing and "new" children - thats where my safety concern is.
The issue that needs addressing is still the same - its not the number of traffic movements in a day that concerns me its the peaks :cool: and the safety of existing traffic/ road & pavement users.
Back in August I wrote :-
60 homes will probably generate 90+ cars coming and going.
Problem is how many were coming and going from the Hurrans site, maybe spread out between 9 and 5 and not "peaking" between 8 - 9 and 4 - 6 , but the road system coped ;) I'm sure a lot of extra traffic will be mixing with existing and "new" children - thats where my safety concern is.
The issue that needs addressing is still the same - its not the number of traffic movements in a day that concerns me its the peaks :cool: and the safety of existing traffic/ road & pavement users.
I also believe this is the main crux of the argument.
Just look at Tregarn road at school drop off and pick up for an example of the 'choking' and dangerous aspect of peak traffic. A lot of the school traffic is via Catsash Rd so extra housing is going to have a huge effect on this alone.
Just to re-iterate what Alan has mentioned. Plans are available for inspection at the Civic Centre/Entrance 2/Planning.
Personnel are very helpful at planning reception.
You will find the plans very well-thumbed. Just goes to show the concern that this development has generated!!
Happy New Year to all us common sense Hurran's development objectors. Let's hope it is actually a good 2010 for us:D
Alan, any update on the Planning Committee meeting?
Happy New Year Teejay.
No update yet but there is a Langstone Community Council meeting tonight so I may find out a bit more if the City Councillors are there.
Alan
UPDATE
The Hurrans Development Planning Application will be heard in the Council Chambers at 13:00 on Wednesday 10th February 2010. I have been given permission to speak for four minutes maximum and the developer has the opportunity to respond, again for a maximum of 4 minutes.
kristie
03 Feb 10, 1:00 PM
Thank you for the update. Good luck (4 mins is tight!) - let us know how it goes. You know you have a lot of support for the cause :)
Good luck, Alan!
As Kristie says, 4 mins is a very short time compared to the many years of upheaval that Langstone will face if this over-development gets approval.
Best of luck to you Alan, I'll second oue support.
Like others have said, 4 mins is not a lot of time.
Has anyone else seen today's Argus (page 11)? Homes plan for old nusery site. Looks like the development will be approved by Newport on Wednesday with work by Bellway starting before the end of the year.
After the fiasco with Columbus House ........
Please restore my confidence in the planning process !!!
Planning approval for £500,000
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/4995104.Homes_plan_for_city_ex_garden_centre_site/
Officers have recommended for the application to be granted by the council’s planning committee when it meets on Wednesday but with certain conditions.
This includes dealing with issues which have been raised by neighbours.
For example, officers have advised that the company pay a £206,438 contribution towards secondary education as there are no spare places at nearby Caerleon Comprehensive School.
Neighbours also said there was no state nursery in Langstone, the area's playgroup already has to share the village hall with other groups and primary and infant schools are filling up.
The council’s head of continuing learning and leisure has confirmed there is a shortfall in play space in Langstone and so the developers would have to pay £366,354.67 which would be used towards maintaining a new play area on the site and for the repair and upkeep of the play facilities in nearby Grenadier Drive.
kristie
09 Feb 10, 10:29 AM
I am saddened that this seems almost like a foregone conclusion. I really hope that the Planning Committee go into it with an open mind and hear the concerns raised.
I don't understand the £206k contribution to secondary education - does anyone know the practicalities of that ? Is it just a one off payment? Who gets it, and who decides how to spend it? One of the reasons we moved to Langstone 3 years ago was for the school catchment area. I know Caerleon is already very overcrowded and I just wondered what £206k achieves? I am forever concerned the catchment goalposts are going to shift :(
Foregone conclusion - well our local Conservative councillor has declared his interest in the development, I didn't see any declaration in the Langstone Council minutes - did I miss it ? - I recall that Simon Lane was looking into the planning application.
MINUTES
OF LANGSTONE COMMUNITY COUNCIL
MEETING HELD AT LANGSTONE VILLAGE HALL HUT
ON MONDAY 9th MARCH 2009
Cllr Edward had received a complaint from a resident of Rosecroft Drive concerning
a) The demise of the builder of the estate and potential sewage problems
b) Rumours of possible housing development on the Hurran’s site.
Cllr Atwell stated that he was aware of a) and a meeting has been arranged to help solve the problem.
It was understood that Chepstow Garden Centre are taking over the Hurran’s site on a temporary basis but the situation will be closely monitored.
Minutes 8th June 2009
1. Declarations of Interest
No declarations of interest were made.
(iii) Hurran’s Garden Centre – Cllr Henderson informed the Council that the site has been purchased. A discussion followed during which Cllr Atwell stated that he would have an informal meeting with the planning department to discuss possible use of the site.
Action DA
MINUTES
OF
LANGSTONE COMMUNITY COUNCIL
Date: 14th September 2009
Also in attendance:
Cllr D Atwell (NCC);
1. Declarations of Interest
No declarations of interest were made.
(b) Conex/09/0874 – Proposed Residential Development Consisting of 60 units and associated Highways and Drainage
– Site of Hurran’s Garden Centre Catsash Road. It was agreed that due to the nature of this application and the adverse impact it would have on the community a full and detailed objection should be submitted.
Action AH/TH/SL
MINUTES
OF
LANGSTONE COMMUNITY COUNCIL
Date: 9th November 2009
In attendance: Cllr D Atwell (NCC)
1. Declarations of Interest
No declarations of interest were made.
(c) Hurran’s Garden Centre
There was a lengthy discussion regarding the fact that planning permission of some description was likely to be granted by NCC or if it goes to appeal the Welsh Assembly Government at some point and that the LCC efforts would be best used to secure a more rurally attractive development. It was confirmed that Cllrs Henderson and Lane would attend the planning meeting in December to oppose the application, it was further noted that whilst Cllr Henderson would be limited to 5 minutes in which to voice his objections, Cllr Lane in his position as City Councillor would have unlimited time to represent the views of the people of Langstone.
Action AH/SL
For a full account of the recommendation :-
http://www.newport.gov.uk/stellent/groups/public/documents/report/cont451682.pdf
No: 09/0874 Ward: LANGSTONE
Type: FULL
Expiry Date: 18/11/2009
Applicant: BELLWAY HOMES SOUTH WALES AND RED-190 LTD
Site: SITE OF HURRANS GARDEN CENTRE CATSASH ROAD NEWPORT SOUTH WALES
Proposal: PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 60 UNITS AND
ASSOCIATED HIGHWAYS AND DRAINAGE
COUNCILLOR ATWELL: Has registered an interest in the application.
kristie
09 Feb 10, 12:15 PM
Blimey. Does the nature of the interest have to be declared? I'm curious about this now!
The declaration of interest to NCC is only a statement telling everyone that the Councillor lives in and represents the Ward in which the development is taking place.
Cllr Attwell doesn't have to declare an interest for the Langstone Community Council Meetings because ALL the Councillors live in & represent Langstone.
Hope that clears it up - no intrigue, no mystery.
Cllr Attwell should be at the Planning Meeting on Wednesday to voice his objections.
Thanks Alan that clears that up - its a term easily misunderstood :confused:
kristie
09 Feb 10, 12:37 PM
Oh ok. Terrible how cynical I am these days :rolleyes:. Thank you for clarifying.
REFUSED
On the grounds of over development of the site, access and drainage.
Great news,Alan.:D
Common sense has prevailed!!
Well done to everybody who objected, and thanks to you Alan for fighting our corner at the meeting and for all your assistance with the objections.
Confidence in the planning process restored !!!
Fantastic news!
Thank you so much Alan for speaking up for us all. Can you convey our thanks to anyone else who may have done so as well, in your capacity as local councilor?
I presume that Bellway still own the land. Do you know what the future options for its use will now be?
Mark
kristie
10 Feb 10, 4:53 PM
Wow! Well done, I am so pleased that your hard work has paid off. I am delighted that for once, the voice of the people has been listened to. Thrilled thrilled thrilled. Now the anxious wait for what proposals there will be for the land:fear:
Sunelectric
10 Feb 10, 9:54 PM
Alan - thanks very much for the update and your efforts in orchestrating objections to this development.
The decision doesn't surprise me as this application would clearly be considered as over development. In my experience local objections/political pressures can greatly influence the Planning Committee.
Bellway Homes will now submit a revised proposal.
I think more thanks should go to Cllr David Atwell rather than me. Even though I managed to get quite a bit into my 4 minutes David had more opportunity and time to elaborate on the various issues. The 54 letters of objection from local residents were also a great help.
It wil be interesting to see what Bellway will do now. They can appeal or, as Sunelectric says, submit a revised proposal. Putting less units on the site will obviusly cut down thier profit margin. The drainage issue is in the hands of Welsh Water & I can't see how access can be improved even though the Head of Engineering & Construction confirmed that the existing access into and out of the site was acceptable.
Watch this space :ranger:
Angela
11 Feb 10, 12:20 PM
This is such good news and thanks to everyone who made it happen. It will be interesting to see what form Bellway's new proposal takes.
What next ? I could speculate
lets take 2 of the "issues"
over development of the site - reduction from 60 to 40, 30 units - sure the profit margin is there?
drainage - Welsh Water improvements to waste water, and discharging into the Brook ?
which leaves probably the most tricky to overcome
access - what price to buy an existing property on Cats Ash Rd, demolish it and create a new access route to the site, perhaps create an In route and an Exit route from the site.
or
Consider a new use for the site - shop and community centre / library
I suspect I know which would get the most support from Langstone :)
SallieM
11 Feb 10, 1:01 PM
:o
Well done Alan and David. This is great news and thanks for everything you have done. Let's just hope they don't resubmit another application and get that passed. I would like to see the area put back to grass or a community centre with sports facilities put on there.
Many thanks to Alan and David for the consistent hard work in helping to defeat this unwelcome housing development. Also many thanks to all those who supported the objection with a personal letter.
Don't want to be negative in the face of such a positive result but what are the realistic options for the land? Like Steve said, using the land for the community (shop, library etc) would attract huge local support, IMO, but would it be financially viable?
New houses will sell, so developers always get a return on their investment. Other usages for the land are a gamble for the developer. Is there enough local trade in the area for a shop\cafe to be profitable? I doubt any such venture could compete on price with the local Tesco Express so would locals be willing to pay a little extra to support a local shop? Would the competition put Hillcroft out of business?
These are all questions I guess any potential developer would be asking.
I know the Penhow community shop is very successful but the shop was already there when it was bought as a community venture. Even if we could organise ourselves to run a community shopy, I doubt we could raise the funds to buy the land and build the premises (grants?).
SallieM
15 Feb 10, 10:24 AM
:(
Chances are Bellway will resubmit a revised application with fewer units.
It would be great if we could get the land for community use but the cost would run into millions I guess. Running a community shop would need committed volunteers and a lot of community spirit. Sadly lacking in Langstone I'm afraid!
Just got notification that they have approved the application for the access road east of 3 Silure Way, I guess without the development going ahead no work will be carried out though.
Thanks for the info about the approval of Silure Way access, Julian. Obviously the people who approved this have never been in a near-miss on the mini-roundabout:mad:
No doubt a revised developer's application will be approved, so let's all drive extremely safely when approaching the mini-roundabout when there are houses on the Hurrans exiting via Silure Way.
Wonder who's going to be the first to tell NCC "I told you so!!" after the first inevitable collision.
Hope I'm not involved in a collision with a house exiting onto Silure Way :D
I have been informed this morning by the planning department that the developers are likely to appeal against the planning committee's decision to reject their proposal. Even though access off Silure Way onto the Hurran's site has since been approved, I don't think anything will happen for a while.
Appeals can go on and on and the developers will probably get a private planning consultant involved now. I wouldnt be surprised if the planning department have also been under pressure to `stall` this development as it would be an additional nightmare adding to the traffic concerns of the Ryder cup in this area. Obviously they cant reveal that but its very likely. I wouldnt mind betting something of a lesser density will swiftly get approved when there is no danger of work commencing before the tournament.
Nice one Steve:)
Just re-read my post. Teach me to rush it.
Could always be a large mobile home on a lorry I suppose:D
This saga has made an appearance on the South Wales Argus (http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/5002390.Langstone_housing_plan_refused/).
Pete Howlett
20 Feb 10, 10:14 PM
I pass this eye-sore every day and can only think that anything that is put on the site which benefits the community has to be better that what is there now. Housing I suspect will be the inevitable construction project.
Pete
Lets not forget that this eye sore developed alledgedly because the Planning / Building Control folk were too busy to take any notice of the demolition .
I'm all for appropriate development that is either beneficial to the community, or does not create problems for its neighbours.
Pete Howlett
21 Feb 10, 12:20 AM
It was an eyesore before the demolition with nature rapidly taking over the car park. I would simply like to see a sensible solution to what must be a vexing problem for those who live nearby. You aren't going to please everyone and as soon as the area was flattened it almost phoenixed itself as a housing development. Let's hope an appropriate solution can be found.
SallieM
22 Mar 10, 2:27 PM
:mad:
Bellway have appealed against the rejection of their planning application for the Hurrans site. Looks like we will have to move onto round 2 to stop this horrible development from going forward.
Thanks for the info Sallie.
I've contact NCC Appeals Department to get the latest.
The appeal papers have been submitted to the Planning Inspectorate in
Cardiff who are currently processing them to give a date when the appeal
will be heard. Obviously Langstone Community Council will receive copies of the relevant documentation so that we, along with anyone else, can send in their letters of support for the refusal of planning permission.
Argos link
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/5075494.Developer_fights_on_as_Langstone_plans_rej ected/
Julian
23 Mar 10, 11:57 AM
Interesting that in March's Newport Matters newspaper they have printed the preferred strategy for the Local Development Plan; Langstone is in the countryside area not the urban area and they have stated that the strategy should not require building within the countryside area. Clearly there are plenty of places within the designated urban area where new housing developments could be situated. Not sure if it really means anything though given the site is not actually a 'green' site and is already an eyesore.
TeeJay
17 Apr 10, 10:34 AM
As a resident adjoining the old Hurrans site, I have received official notification from NCC re. the Bellway appeal.
Apparently, the hearing will take the form of an informal public discussion sometime in mid July. Everyone concerned will be able to give their views in an "informal atmosphere".
A visit to the site & its surroundings is part of this procedure. Lets hope they come in the rush-hour, when the school coaches are blocking Catsash Rd. near the dangerous mini-roundabout, and preferably on refuse-bin day!
Our previous comments are sent to the Planning Inspectorate as part of the appeal procedure, but any further comments, or re-iterations, can be sent to:
The Planning Inspectorate, Crown Buildings, Cathays Park, Cardiff,
CF10 3NQ (or wales@pins.qsi.gov.uk) Ref: APP/G6935/A/08/2124842
Latest date is 19th May. 3 x copies are required, unless emailed.
The battle's not over yet guys, get typing!
kristie
17 Apr 10, 1:04 PM
Thank you for the information, maybe it is an idea that in our further objections, we can request the visit takes place at rush hour times, and not in school holidays where obviously the bus is not there and traffic generally quieter.
If you have written as an objector to the application, you would have received copy details of this appeal directly from the Planning Dept at NCC, however, if you had not written in as an objector now is the time to do this by the time given within the notice. Those who have written in initially, I would still suggest that you write and still object on a number of issues over and above that which you have already raised and in any case, reword your letter accordingly to draw the attention to the Planning Inspectorate it's well worth the stamp.
This is a Public Hearing and we need to have as many residents as possible present at this Hearing in order to demonstrate to the Planning Inspector that we are serious objectors. The current thinking for the date of this Hearing is 13th July but this will need to be confirmed and will advise later.
I am intending to continue to make my strongest representations at this Hearing as I did at the Planning meeting that obtained a determination of a refusal. I shall keep you informed further regarding the format of the Hearing but please spread the word to as many people as possibe.
Sunelectric
03 May 10, 8:04 PM
Thanks for the info Alan.
Do we have any indication of how likely Bellway are to achieve success with this appeal?
Just a reminder, the deadlne for any comments to the Planning Inspectorate is tomorrow.
As Alan says, we must be shown to be serious objectors.
I have received notification that a Planning Appeal regarding Hurrans Garden Centre is to be held by means of a public hearing at 10.00 am on 13th July 2010 at the Civic Centre Newport.
Sunelectric
22 Jun 10, 10:04 PM
Thanks for the info Alan.
I'm surely lots of people would like to attend this but will struggle due to work commitments.
Hopefully there will be no sarcastic comments in "Community First" if there is a low attendance :)
I attended a public meeting on Monday 5th July to discuss the ongoing issues with the sewage pumping stations on Catsash Road and the responsibility of their maintemance since they have not been adopted by the local authority.
It is clear that this issue is going to be a lengthy process as at present nobody will take responsibility and the onus is being put on the local residents. As the Hurran's site appeal is now approaching, we should request that the planning department add a condition on the inevitable approval of the future redevelopment of the site, for the sewage pumps to be upgraded and their adoption to be implemented by the successful contractor for the development. This would surely be a relevant request as significant drainage upgrading in the area is required for the additional capacity that will be put upon the existing drainage system should additional houses be built,
I appreciate that most people will need to be in work at the time of the appeal. Has anyone volunteered or been nominated to speak at the appeal on behalf of the local community?
If this issue was stipulated as one of the planning conditions, it would remove all the problems of responsibility and possible cost implications to both residents and the local authority.
Funny how the "fence" on the A48 side of the site has been secured this week after many weeks of being wide open.... anything to do with the Hearing ?? :rolleyes:
Well, the appeal has come & been adjourned until 09th November 2010.
The developers brought along their consultants, Planning, Highways, Drainage etc I was there along with one other resident.
Why? Well Welsh Water & the developers are working on a possible solution to the drainage problem. At the moment there is insufficient capacity in the system to cope with both foul & surface water. Welsh Water have a possible solution to remove the surface water from the system, without which the development would not go ahead.
Obviously this is just one aspect & there still remains the problem of access, etc to be addressed.
Watch this space.
Thanks for the update Alan, I've just received the email from Newport Planning Services myself (I've copied some useful information below).
On the positive side, at least the appeal wasn't successful, on the negative side, we have to endure the eyesore (and potential danger) that the Hurrans site is for further 4 months.
A public hearing, held by a Planning Inspector, is an informal meeting at which all parties are invited to make comments on the appeal. A site visit is part of the appeal procedure.
If you wish to attend the hearing, please report to the Main Reception of the Civic Centre, where you will be directed to the room where the hearing is taking place.
Parking for people with disabilities is provided close to the Main Reception and is accessed through the barrier at the top of Godfrey Road. If you require wheelchair access in order to attend the hearing, please contact me as soon as possible.
If you wish to speak at the hearing, it is important you are there at the start when the Planning Inspector will inform everyone regarding the hearing’s timetable and make a note of those people who wish to speak.
Any person wishing to speak at the hearing in Welsh should inform the Planning Inspectorate well in advance to enable any necessary arrangements to be made.
A copy of the Inspector’s decision letter will only be sent to those persons who request one in writing.
Copies of the appeal documents can be inspected at the Environment and the Economy Reception, Entrance No 2, Civic Centre, Godfrey Road, Newport during office hours (0830-1700 Mondays to Thursdays, 0830-1630 Fridays).
A booklet entitled, “Guide to taking part in planning appeals” is available, free of charge from this Council. This booklet is also available from the Internet at www.planning-inspectorate.gov.uk (http://www.planning-inspectorate.gov.uk/) in the Publications Section.
You can see in this Google Map just how the place used to look. The map is interactive so you can move around and zoom in.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Newport,+Gwent+NP18+2JE,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.603292,-2.911549&spn=0.008796,0.027466&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.603297,-2.911357&panoid=uZT1LnvZwueD79aynNwwzw&cbp=12,355.16,,0,1.62
Don't Forget!!
The developer's second appeal hearing is next Tuesday 16th November @ 10.00 in the Civic Centre.(go to Main reception)
Let's support our council representatives and attend if we can.The Planning Officer in charge of the meeting will surely give some credence to the stupidity of this development if a lot of us stand up against it in person.
I'm taking a day off work to attend. Hope to see you there. If you can't attend yourself, ask a neighbour.
Don't Forget!!
Well, the Second Appeal has come & gone. Langstone was well represented by several local residents - nice to meet up with you TeeJay - as well as David Atwell, the Ward Councillor & myself, as Chair of Langstone Community Council. Everyone had the opportunity to speak so our objections were heard, but more importantly, they will be considered in the Inspector’s final decision.
The main part of the deliberations concerned the drainage issue which has not yet been totally resolved thanks to some recent historical evidence provided by David Atwell. The 20+ conditions that Newport City Council imposed in their initial submission to the Planning Committee earlier in the year were also discussed.As you can see from the Agenda, every aspect was covered.
The Inspector was thorough in his questioning of both parties and lucid in his summation of the evidence. The meeting concluded with a site visit at 14:00.
The Inspector's decision will be made some time before Christmas.
So watch this space.
AGENDA
1 Inspector’s opening remarks & introductions
2 The matters in dispute & the main issues
3 The drainage situation
4 Appellant’s proposal to address the drainage situation
5 The Development Plan
6 The use & status of the site
7 The character of the site & surrounding area
8 The effect of the proposed development on those matters
9 The local highway network
10 The proposed access arrangements
11 The effect of the proposed development on the local network
12 Other matters raised by interested parties
13 Possible planning conditions
14 The planning obligation
15 Final remarks on the merits of the application: interested persons, LPA, appellant
16 Any cost application(s)
17 Site Visit
SallieM
03 Dec 10, 10:43 AM
Bellway have won their appeal and permission to build 60 identikit houses has been granted.:mad:
Absolutely diabolical.....
I'm sure Alan will post more details later today.
The mind boggles how the insector could find in favour of Bellway's rabbit warren development. There are however, 11 conditions they have to adhere to.
Full decision attached & Summary below
Alan
Schedule of conditions imposed (Summary)
(1) The development must begin not later than the expiration of five years from the date of this permission.
(2) No development shall commence on site until a ‘Local Sewerage Infrastructure Assessment’ has been submitted to and approved by the local planning authority. The Assessment shall show that there is sewerage provision to serve the development or that adequate sewerage provision can be provided.
(3) No development shall commence until full details of the means of surface water drainage disposal to serve the site have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.
(4) No development shall commence until a scheme has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority to provide that all habitable rooms and outdoor living areas exposed to external road traffic noise in excess of 55 dBA Leq 16 hour [free field] during the day [07.00 to 23.00 hours] or 45 dBA Leq 8 hour [free field] at night [23.00 to 07.00 hours] shall be subject to sound insulation measures to ensure that all such rooms achieve an internal noise level of 40 dBA Leq 16 hour during the day and 35 dBA Leq 8 hour at night.
(5) No development shall commence until details and plans showing the finished slab level of the buildings and garden levels, together with cross sections through the site, have been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority in writing: the development shall be undertaken in accordance with the approved details.
(6) No development shall commence, including any works of site clearance, until a Construction Method Statement has been submitted to, and approved in writing by, the local planning authority.
(7) Notwithstanding the details shown on the submitted and amended plans, no work shall be commenced on the construction of the approved scheme until details/samples of materials and finishes to be used on the external surfaces to the dwellings, garages, boundary walls and the surfacing of the car parking areas have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.
(8) The means of enclosure shown on Plan 9977/PL01 Revision H (technical detail on Plans 9977/E7(1); 9977/E7(2); 9977/E1) shall be provided prior to the first occupation of the associated new dwelling and shall be retained in the approved manner in perpetuity.
(9) Any windows above ground floor level on the side elevation of Plots 22 and 47 shall be glazed with obscured glass.
(10) No house shall be occupied until roads and footpaths have been laid to provide access to them and, where applicable, their related garages have been completed in accordance with the plans and details hereby approved: the garages shall thereafter be kept available at all times for the parking of vehicles.
(11) A Local Equipped Area of Play (LEAP) or LAP (Local Area of Play) shall be provided within the site to serve the development within the area shown on Plan 9977/PL01 Revision H. Details of the proposed equipment, which shall include a minimum of 4 play features, together with details of fences, barriers and signage shall be submitted prior to the commencement of development. The approved LEAP/LAP must be fully provided (including fencing, barrier and signage) prior to the occupation of the 50th dwelling on site and shall be retained in the approved manner in perpetuity, unless any variations have first been agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority.
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